Hawaii condos & apartments for sale
We found 3086 condos & apartments for sale in Hawaii
Condo
2
bd
624
sqft
$380,000
2
bd 624
sqft
bd 624
sqft
E Komo Mai to this desirable 2-bedroom, 2-bathroom corner unit on the 25th floor of the Town Tower of Harbor Square, located in the heart of Downtown Honolulu. Enjoy comfortable urban living with central AC and excellent natural light. This unit is fully furnished and ready for you to move right in, or purchase as an investment rental. Enjoy beautiful ocean views from the lanai and iconic views of Iolani Palace from the bedrooms. The all-inclusive maintenance fee provides exceptional value and covers electricity, central AC, water, hot water, sewer, internet, and cable. Conveniently situated near Chinatown Honolulu, Hawaii Theatre, shopping, dining, and entertainment, with easy access to the business district and freeway on-ramps. Great opportunity to OWN your piece of paradise in one of Honolulu's most established and centrally located condominiums.
Condo
2
bd
702
sqft
$319,000 ▼ $11,000
2
bd 702
sqft
bd 702
sqft
Condo for sale
Kunia Gardens 94-039 Waipahu Street unit 305 Waipahu, Oahu
Neighborhood: Waipahu-lower
Welcome to this rare 2-bedroom, 1-bath unit in Kunia Gardens, a desirable location with a community swimming pool. Just minutes from freeway on/off ramps, restaurants, grocery stores like Sea Food City and the bus line, this property offers unbeatable convenience for both homeowners and tenants alike. This unit includes one assigned CORNER parking stall and features a functional layout ideal for comfortable everyday living. With strong rental demand in the area, this is a fantastic opportunity for investors looking to add a high-demand property to their portfolio. It’s also a great option for first-time homebuyers ready to stop renting and start building equity. Enjoy the outdoor patio seating perfect for special gatherings, while your guests soak up the sun and enjoy the pool.
Condo
2
bd
948
sqft
$670,000
2
bd 948
sqft
bd 948
sqft
Discover the best of island living in this well loved Waikiki building, ideally situated just moments from world famous beaches, great dining spots, and the convenience of nearby bus lines. A unit features 2 bedrooms and 2-bathrooms with a large lanai. New dishwasher, W/D in the unit. Freshly painted. A pet friendly residence offers exceptional amenities, including relaxing pond, swimming pool, sauna, exercise room, library, tennis/pickleball court, putting green, 24/7 security, and an on-site resident manager. A perfect blend of location, convenience, and island style living in the heart of Waikiki.
Condo
2
bd
710
sqft
$499,000 ▼ $9,000
2
bd 710
sqft
bd 710
sqft
Condo for sale
Coronado A 91-1201 Kaneana Street unit 3I Ewa Beach, Oahu
Neighborhood: Ewa Gen Sun Terra On The Park
Live the Ewa lifestyle at Coronado — a fantastic opportunity for first-time buyers, growing families, or investors. This breezy corner residence sits on the cooler side of the building, offering added privacy and refreshing airflow year-round. Renovated in 2022, the home features modern updates and a bright, functional layout designed for comfortable everyday living, with a fresh, move-in-ready feel throughout. Enjoy the convenience of two parking stalls located directly opposite each other, plus access to a pool, recreation area, and ample guest parking. Just minutes from Ewa Town Center, Ka Makana Ali‘i, parks, golf courses, shopping, and dining — everything you need is close to home.
Condo
2
bd
1,047
sqft
$975,000 ▼ $123,000
2
bd 1,047
sqft
bd 1,047
sqft
Experience refined island living at LOFT at Waikiki. Offering a 2BD/2BA residence with high 12' ceilings on the 5th floor, just blocks from Waikiki Beach. Recently refreshed with new interior paint and luxury vinyl plank flooring throughout. Open kitchen features a large granite island and high-end built-in appliances, including Sub-Zero refrigerator and Wolf 5-burner gas range. Spacious primary bedroom with custom closet system and ensuite bath offering a soaking tub and large walk-in shower. Central AC throughout and French-style lanai doors open to a private balcony. Resort-style amenities include lush landscaping, pool, hot tub, putting green, and BBQ areas. Includes 2 secured, covered parking stalls on ground level next to the elevator.
Condo
1
bd
1
ba
564
sqft
$425,000 ▼ $25,000
1
bd 1
ba 564
sqft
bd 1
ba 564
sqft
Experience an exceptional ownership opportunity in Napili Ridge, featuring views of the gulch and the Pacific Ocean. This unit has been freshly painted and boasts new carpet as of February 2026, making it truly move-in ready. With just a few personal touches and enhancements, you can easily create a space that reflects your unique style. Don’t miss out on the chance to call this great location home!
Condo
1
bd
409
sqft
$365,000 ▼ $4,000
1
bd 409
sqft
bd 409
sqft
Step into your move-in-ready escape in the heart of Waikiki-just one block from the beach and Kapi'olani Park. This thoughtfully renovated one-bedroom condo at Hawaiian Crown offers quality upgrades and an unbeatable location. Kitchen features full upper and lower cabinetry with additional built-in storage, including a utility/broom cabinet, offering excellent and well-planned storage throughout. Interior improvements include smooth skim-coated walls and ceilings, tile flooring throughout, a tiled lanai with baseboard siding, and a window A/C unit. The bathroom is clean and modern with floor-to-ceiling tile. A deeded parking stall included - a valuable asset in Waikiki. Hawaiian Crown is a secured building featuring a heated pool, common sitting area, surfboard rack, community laundry, and a convenience store on-site. Pet-friendly (verify house rules). Whether you're looking for a low-maintenance beach home or an investment opportunity in one of Waikiki's most walkable neighborhoods, this condo offers comfort, design, and prime location.
Condo
2
bd
2
ba
787
sqft
$190,000
2
bd 2
ba 787
sqft
bd 2
ba 787
sqft
2 bedroom, 1.5 bath unit facing Haleakala with a great mountain view. Harbor Lights is conveniently located in Kahului near shopping, restaurants, University of Hawaii - Maui College, Maui Arts and Cultural Center, and Keopulani Park. The complex has an in-ground pool, playground, community laundry rooms and security.
Condo
2
bd
2
ba
1,375
sqft
$1,390,000
2
bd 2
ba 1,375
sqft
bd 2
ba 1,375
sqft
Condo for sale
Ke Alii Ocean Villas 28 Hauwahine Ln unit F-203 Kihei, Maui
Live your best island life just steps from Kamaole I Beach at unit F-203 in the warm and welcoming community of Ke Alii Ocean Villas. With spacious units, an unbeatable central Kihei location, and one of the best amenity centers anywhere on Maui, Ke Alii Ocean Villas offers the comforts of residential living with the conveniences of a luxury condo. On the second floor of the F Building, Unit F203 offers the comforts of single-level living via easy elevator access. With the Driftwood floor plan and 1,375 sq ft of living space, this 2bd/2bth unit offers the flexibility of a 3rd room that can easily flex as a study or an extra bedroom. The unit has a large primary suite with an ensuite bathroom, another full bathroom next to the 2nd bedroom, and a spacious kitchen with ample cabinet space and stainless-steel appliances. You'll enjoy wonderful views of the area, as well as ocean and West Maui mountain views from the spacious lanai. Central air conditioning ensures a consistent temperature throughout the unit. As a bonus, F203 comes with its own one-car garage along with 1 deeded parking space. At the amenity center, you'll discover a beautiful, heated infinity pool with a hot tub, a fully equipped fitness center, and an entertainment area with BBQ's. Ke Alii Ocean Villas owners and guests even have weekly get-togethers to enjoy the amenities and each other's company. F203 is being offered fully furnished and ready for its new owners. Schedule a tour and see for yourself why people truly love this wonderful community!
Condo
315
sqft
$339,000
315
sqft
sqft
Escape to island living with this rarely available, fully furnished studio at the charming Aloha Surf Hotel — a boutique gem in the heart of Waikiki. Located just two blocks from world-renowned Waikiki Beach and moments from premier shopping, dining, and entertainment, this inviting retreat blends convenience with tropical charm.
Enjoy sweeping city and mountain views from your private unit, thoughtfully equipped with a convenient kitchenette and inclusive utilities for effortless ownership. Whether you’re seeking a peaceful personal getaway, a flexible short-term rental opportunity with rare legal vacation rental use, or an investment that allows you to enjoy the best of both worlds, this condotel delivers.
The Aqua-Aston hotel program provides full-service management, offering a seamless, hands-off experience while maximizing rental potential. On-site amenities include a sparkling pool, sun deck, and BBQ area — perfect for soaking up the Hawaiian sunshine.
This is your opportunity to own a peice of paradise in one of the most desirable destinations in the world
Condo
1
bd
650
sqft
$385,000
1
bd 650
sqft
bd 650
sqft
High Floor fully furnished with city and mountain views. Turnkey rental. Currently in the Aqua-Aston Hotel program. Can also be self-managed for short term rental such as Airbnb.
Located in the central business district directly on the bus line with easy access to freeways. Executive Centre has 24-hour security. Unit comes with a prime parking stall located on the 6th floor near the elevators. Other fee of $277.86 is for Capitol Reserve.
Condo
1
bd
520
sqft
$318,000
1
bd 520
sqft
bd 520
sqft
Welcome to the 20th floor of Kinau Lanais! This breezy, light-filled condo enjoys cool tradewinds and beautiful partial ocean and city views from near the top of the building. This rarely available residence offers elevation, comfort, and everyday conveniences, including an assigned covered parking stall, on-site resident manager, convenience store, swimming pool, and BBQ areas perfect for gatherings and easy island living. It is centrally located with quick freeway access and just minutes to The Queen’s Medical Center, Straub Medical Center, Ward shopping, dining, and more.
The property is being offered As-Is, presenting as a unique opportunity to design and customize your own modern island retreat or create instant equity with thoughtful updates. A high-floor home. A prime location. A canvas for your vision. Don’t miss this rarely available opportunity!
Condo
1
bd
412
sqft
$175,000
1
bd 412
sqft
bd 412
sqft
Resort-Style Living in Makaha Surfside! Lowest priced Fee-simple 2nd floor unit in the “C” building. Enjoy 2 pools, serene lagoon with sunsets, direct beach access, BBQ area, fitness center, sauna, 24-hour security, new elevators, and 2 laundry facilities. Conveniently located near shopping, dining, and on the bus line. Ideal as a starter home, vacation retreat, or investment. Priced to sell, unit needs TLC.
Condo
2
bd
816
sqft
$785,000
2
bd 816
sqft
bd 816
sqft
Rarely available corner-end unit on a desirable mid-level high floor featuring 2 bedrooms, 2 full bathrooms, 2 parking, LOW MAINTENANCE FEE!!! This thoughtfully designed home captures beautiful mountain, city, ocean & unobstructed Downtown Honolulu views, all enjoyed from your private lanai. Upgraded kitchen features Wood Door Cabinetry, French Gold Countertops, Brand New Refrigerator. Additional highlights: an in-unit washer & dryer, 3 split A/C for. This secured, well-managed building offers 24-hour security, an on-site resident manager, guest parking, EV charging, a spacious lobby with meeting & recreation areas. Pet friendly. Ideally located on the border of Kaka'ako & Downtown Honolulu, just minutes from SALT, Ward Village, Ala Moana, dining, shopping, beaches, entertainment-placing you in the center of Honolulu’s most vibrant & convenient neighborhoods. Whether you are seeking a comfortable primary residence or a strong investment opportunity, this home combines location, views, convenience in one of Honolulu’s most dynamic & growing communities. Opportunities to own a corner-end unit with these features & value in this location are limited—this is one you won’t want to miss.
Condo
2
bd
2
ba
1,188
sqft
$880,000
2
bd 2
ba 1,188
sqft
bd 2
ba 1,188
sqft
Opportunity Knocks with this 2 bedroom, 2 bathroom, large lanai condo, at Kamaole Sands. Priced to sell with loads of potential, for the next owner to make it their own. The condo is being sold fully furnished and is equipped with features including partial ocean and mountain views, top floor location, vaulted ceilings, a spacious lofted primary bedroom, stainless steel kitchen appliances, a well equipped kitchen with granite counters, and an in unit washer and dryer. Located just steps away from Kamaole Beach Park III, makes this an ideal location. Resort amenities include a children’s wading pool, an adult and family hot tub, fitness room, ping pong table, gas BBQ area's throughout the resort, 3 pickle ball courts and 2 tennis courts. Kamaole Sands is an extremely popular resort, as the condo is within walking distance to restaurants, shops, and a number of great beaches in South Kihei.
Condo
1
bd
1
ba
820
sqft
$1,195,000
1
bd 1
ba 820
sqft
bd 1
ba 820
sqft
Mahana at Kaanapali is a premier oceanfront, Hotel-zoned resort located directly on world-famous Kaanapali Beach. Set along the shoreline, the property offers immediate access to sandy beaches and the scenic oceanfront walking path connecting to Whalers Village, beachfront dining, and neighboring resorts. Unit 907 is a 1-bedroom residence on the 9th floor, offering elevated panoramic ocean views and year-round sunsets. Large windows frame sweeping vistas of the Pacific, neighboring islands, and Maui’s stunning coastline — creating a bright and open oceanfront living experience. The residence has been tastefully updated and is currently part of the on-site Aston rental program, providing a professionally managed, turnkey ownership experience. Whether continuing in the rental program or enjoying as a personal retreat, the flexibility of Hotel zoning adds to its appeal. With its updated interior, established rental program, and unbeatable beachfront location, Residence 907 represents both a lifestyle investment and a strong oceanfront opportunity within one of Kaanapali’s most iconic resorts.
Condo
1
bd
1
ba
820
sqft
$1,249,000
1
bd 1
ba 820
sqft
bd 1
ba 820
sqft
Mahana at Kaanapali is a premier oceanfront, Hotel-zoned resort located directly on world-famous Kaanapali Beach. Known for its floor-to-ceiling windows and unmatched proximity to the shoreline, Mahana offers breathtaking sunsets, seasonal whale watching, and convenient access to the Kaanapali boardwalk, Whalers Village, and beachfront dining. Unit 1017, located on the 10th floor, features expansive windows that capture panoramic ocean views from the lanai, bedroom, kitchen, and living room — creating a true oceanfront living experience. The residence offers clean, modern upgrades and a bright, open layout designed to maximize the views and natural light.Currently managed by Chase ’N Rainbows and zoned Hotel, 1017 provides flexibility for short-term rental income or personal enjoyment, making it both a lifestyle property and an exceptional investment opportunity along the Kaanapali coastline.
Condo
1
bd
1
ba
820
sqft
$995,000
1
bd 1
ba 820
sqft
bd 1
ba 820
sqft
Mahana at Kaanapali is a prestigious oceanfront, Hotel-zoned resort ideally positioned along the world-famous Kaanapali coastline on the island of Maui. Set directly on the water, the property offers immediate access to miles of sandy beach and the scenic oceanfront walking path that stretches throughout Kaanapali — connecting residents and guests to Whalers Village, beachfront dining, and neighboring resorts. Renowned for its panoramic views and prime beachfront setting, Mahana delivers an exceptional blend of natural beauty and resort convenience. From seasonal whale watching to year-round sunsets and outer-island vistas, the location alone defines the experience. Residence #518 is thoughtfully positioned to maximize these sweeping ocean views. Expansive windows and an open layout frame the Pacific, neighboring islands, and Maui’s dramatic coastline, creating a seamless indoor-outdoor feel. While the unit presents an incredible oceanfront opportunity, it is ready for renovation and offers the next owner the chance to update and modernize to their personal taste and standards. With Hotel zoning providing flexibility and the unbeatable beachfront location, #518 represents both a lifestyle investment and a value-add opportunity within one of Kaanapali’s most iconic.
Condo
1
bd
726
sqft
$365,000
1
bd 726
sqft
bd 726
sqft
Step into the heart of Honolulu at Honolulu Tower #308 located at 60 North Beretania Street! This well-appointed unit offers a rare blend of comfort, convenience, and city living. Inside, you’ll find a bright and open layout with large windows that welcome natural light. The kitchen features modern finishes, newer stainless steel appliances and ample counter space, while the living area flows seamlessly for easy entertaining or quiet relaxation. The primary suite provides a peaceful retreat, complemented by generous closet space. Enjoy the added comfort of in-unit new washer, dryer, and A/C unit. A mounted TV with sound bar in living room is included with the residence. This secure building includes desirable amenities such as a pool, fitness room, and community areas, with gated parking spot for peace of mind. Perfectly situated near downtown Honolulu, Chinatown’s vibrant dining scene, and quick access to major highways and bus lines, this residence places you right where work, play, and culture meet. Whether you’re a first-time buyer, investor, or looking to downsize, #308 delivers urban island living at its best.
Condo
1
bd
477
sqft
$245,000
1
bd 477
sqft
bd 477
sqft
Condo for sale
One Kalakaua Senior Living 1314 Kalakaua Ave unit 1214 Honolulu, Oahu
Neighborhood: Makiki Area
Come home to One Kalakaua Senior Living, 55+, one of the Premier Senior Communities in Honolulu where you can have ownership! This end unit, high floor is just perfect for a couple or single person. Units in this stack have the lowest fees in the building. Comes with one parking stall and all the amenities that One Kalakaua is known for, especially the restaurant with tasty food. Enjoy peaceful Koolau views from your room or keep busy with the many activities available daily including the heated pool, exercise room, pool table, library, on site hair salon, and much more.
Condo
388
sqft
$773,000
388
sqft
sqft
Condo for sale
Sky Ala Moana East 1390 Kapiolani Blvd unit 3608 Honolulu, Oahu
Neighborhood: Holiday Mart
High-floor luxury studio at Sky Ala Moana East offering stunning panoramic views of Diamond Head, ocean, city, and mountains. This 388 sqft fully furnished residence features modern finishes and ADA-compliant design elements for enhanced accessibility and convenience. Ideal for investors or part-time owners, the unit offers flexible usage options including personal residence, hotel rental program participation, or both. Located in the heart of Ala Moana near shopping, beaches, dining, and entertainment. Enjoy resort-style amenities including pools, fitness center, spa, valet service, and on-site dining. A rare opportunity to own in one of Honolulu’s newest luxury condotel residences.
Condo
3
bd
1,229
sqft
$960,000
3
bd 1,229
sqft
bd 1,229
sqft
Discover island living at its finest in this spacious 3 bedroom unit which has been converted to 2 bedrooms to provide additional living space where you can enjoy the stunning ocean views from floor to ceiling windows and large covered lanai. The living area includes ceramic tile, recently painted walls throughout and newer carpet. The building boasts resort like amenities including heated salt water pool, hot tub, tennis & pickleball courts, fitness area, BBQ and meeting/social room. Gated parking and secured building entry with security in lobby, Resident Manager, surfboard/bike as well as small individual storage on lobby level. Parking for unit includes 1 covered parking stall on first level and open stall on 3rd floor. Moments from world famous Kailua Beach and tons of shopping and dining options in Kailua Town! This unit offers a perfect blend of comfort and convenience. Seller to offer $60k credit to Buyer to go towards future assessment.
Condo
2
bd
1,074
sqft
$1,288,000
2
bd 1,074
sqft
bd 1,074
sqft
LOCATION • LOCATION • LOCATION! Welcome to The Park on Keeaumoku, Honolulu’s newest landmark community where modern design meets effortless island living—and everything is at your doorstep. This brand-new, never-lived-in 2BD/2BA/2PK residence offers a spacious lanai framing sweeping ocean, city, Diamond Head, and mountain views. Floor-to-ceiling windows, complemented by refined finishes: frameless cabinet, quartz countertops, luxury vinyl plank flooring, split AC in every room, a walk-in closet, and a separate laundry room. Live the ultimate walkable lifestyle: you’re a short stroll to Ala Moana Center—shopping, dining, entertainment, and soon-to-open food courts—plus beaches, transit, and everything urban Honolulu offers. With on-site retail coming. Resort-style amenities elevate every day: swim in the infinity pool, unwind in the spa, grill at BBQ cabanas, catch a film in the theater, or reset in the fitness center, yoga studio, sauna, and nearly half an acre of green space at The Grove. Centrally located and designed for convenience, this residence blends luxury, lifestyle, and location in one of Honolulu’s most dynamic neighborhoods.
Condo
2
bd
2
ba
745
sqft
$595,000
2
bd 2
ba 745
sqft
bd 2
ba 745
sqft
Welcome to your slice of paradise at Pacific Shores B313. This updated two-bedroom, two-bath residence offers ocean and mountain views, perfectly capturing the best of Maui’s natural beauty. Located in the heart of highly desirable South Maui, this exceptional property sits just across the street from world-famous Kamaole I Beach, where sun, sand, and sunsets are part of your everyday lifestyle. Inside, the unit features an updated kitchen with modern finishes, granite countertops, and an open-concept layout that flows seamlessly into the living and dining areas. Large windows invite in natural light along with refreshing island breezes. The home also includes a full-size washer and dryer and one deeded parking stall. Pacific Shores offers resort-style amenities including an elevator, heated pool, hot tub, BBQ area, and a pet-friendly environment. Enjoy the ultimate island lifestyle with beaches, dining, shopping, and activities just moments from your door. Don’t miss this opportunity to own a property in one of South Maui’s most sought-after locations. Contact your favorite Realtor today to schedule your private showing.
Hawaii condo & apartment stats
Condos for sale
3086
Price range
$45k - $14.5m
* information deemed reliable, but not guaranteed
Average Listing Price Hawaii for condos & homes
Average Listing Price
| $965,284 | +$404 |
| Mar 13 - Mar 19 | 0.04% |
|
$642,822 condos $1,501,897 homes |
w-o-w |
Median Sales Price Hawaii for condos & homes
Median Sales Price
| $760,000 | -$10,000 |
| Mar 24, 2025 - Mar 23, 2026 | -1.27% |
|
$525,000 condos $1,200,000 homes |
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Hawaii Neighborhood Price Trends
| Island | Average listing price | w-o-w |
|---|---|---|
| Diamond Head | $2,026,196 | ▲ +0.02% |
| East Molokai | $451,215 | ▲ +0% |
| Ewa Beach | $716,184 | ▼ -0.06% |
| Haiku | $2,182,717 | ▼ -0.12% |
| Hamakua | $984,704 | ▲ +0% |
| Hana | $2,255,651 | ▲ +0% |
| Hawaii Kai | $1,177,752 | ▼ -0.02% |
| Honokohau | $1,000,000 | ▲ +0% |
| Kaanapali | $1,780,649 | ▲ +0.01% |
| Kahakuloa | $2,019,887 | ▲ +0% |
| Kahului | $628,866 | ▼ -0.03% |
| Kailua | $1,833,132 | ▲ +0.06% |
| Kakaako | $1,354,356 | ▲ +0.13% |
| Kaneohe | $850,573 | ▼ -0.02% |
| Kapalua | $3,545,352 | ▼ -0.16% |
| Kau | $477,018 | ▼ -0.29% |
| Kauai | $1,409,378 | ▼ -0.01% |
| Kaupo | $1,777,889 | ▲ +0% |
| Keanae | $1,014,143 | ▲ +0% |
| Kihei | $1,005,563 | ▲ +0.06% |
| Kipahulu | $1,827,833 | ▲ +0% |
| Koolauloa | $1,515,804 | ▲ +3.9% |
| Kula/Ulupalakua/Kanaio | $2,072,557 | ▲ +0.06% |
| Lahaina | $2,338,190 | ▲ +0.44% |
| Leeward | $426,741 | ▲ +0.19% |
| Maalaea | $790,075 | ▼ -0.03% |
| Makakilo | $582,122 | ▲ +0.09% |
| Makawao/Olinda/Haliimaile | $1,548,059 | ▲ +0.08% |
| Maui Meadows | $1,792,511 | ▲ +0.33% |
| Nahiku | $1,203,511 | ▲ +0% |
| Napili/Kahana/Honokowai | $960,759 | ▲ +0.18% |
| North Hilo | $2,339,767 | ▲ +0% |
| North Kohala | $1,811,137 | ▲ +0% |
| North Kona | $1,076,439 | ▲ +0.59% |
| North Shore | $1,557,706 | ▼ -0% |
| Olowalu | $5,443,316 | ▲ +0% |
| PearlCity | $482,456 | ▼ -0.06% |
| Pukalani | $872,791 | ▲ +0% |
| Puna | $429,084 | ▲ +0% |
| South Hilo | $837,258 | ▲ +0% |
| South Kohala | $1,022,279 | ▲ +0% |
| South Kona | $987,431 | ▲ +0% |
| Spreckelsville/Paia/Kuau | $3,715,910 | ▲ +0.16% |
| Waikiki | $622,972 | ▼ -0.02% |
| Wailea/Makena | $3,652,247 | ▲ +0.18% |
| Wailuku | $922,733 | ▲ +0.07% |
| Waipahu | $493,246 | ▲ +0.04% |
| West Molokai | $762,287 | ▼ -0.51% |
* information deemed reliable, but not guaranteed